SlagleRock's Slaughterhouse
Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his.
-- General George S. Patton

June 03, 2005

They Call It "Fight Or Flight" For A Reason

H/T to Delftsman and Mamamontezz for pointing me to this story....

According to The Salt Lake Tribune:

CONCEALED WEAPONS: Firearms do not make people 'nice' Living in fear Not having been present at the episode, and lacking any legal determinations, we will not presume to judge the behavior of one well-known and well-armed computer entrepreneur and that of a group of people gathered to express extreme displeasure with his motoring habits. We are, however, prepared to evaluate the philosophy the impossible-to-embarrass "Super Dell" Schanze employed to justify using a gun, or at least reference to a gun, to deter hostile people during said confrontation. Bunk. Dangerous, potentially deadly, bunk. Apparently threatened by a man with a rock - a rock aimed not at Schanze or his child, but at his luxury car - Schanze is alleged to have produced a previously, and legally, concealed Glock 10 mm in self-defense. Well, auto-defense, anyway. If that's what happened, Schanze faces both a misdemeanor charge and the loss of his concealed-weapon permit. An outspoken advocate of the right to keep and bear arms, even when exhibiting behavior that would not be acceptable in any well-regulated militia, Schanze denies committing a crime but was happy to describe the change in attitude that his little friend elicited among his antagonists. "They decided to be really nice once they knew I was armed," he said. "Their whole personality changed. It was amazing." Amazing? Amazing that people will change their behavior when the alternative may well be sudden death? Seems pretty predictable to us. Of course the whole point of the free coinage of concealed-weapons permits in Utah - there are some 62,000 of them out there - is that a heavily armed populace is a well-behaved populace. Maybe. But people who think they may be shot are not being "nice." They are afraid. Some of them ought to be afraid, as they might otherwise commit some sort of mayhem. But the majority of us do not want or deserve to live in fear, threatened by someone whose concealed-weapons permit is one traffic accident or domestic quarrel away from being among the some 200 a year that are revoked for criminal, sometimes violent, behavior. Some people, who carry large sums of money or have specific reasons to feel endangered, may be safer if they are armed. The rest of us are not.

OK, so what did we get from this editorial? First, where are the facts? This story is clearly written from the liberal/anti-gun standpoint where the author wants to depict Mr. Schanze as a gun toting, trigger happy, "right-wing nut job".

I can't say whether or not Mr. Schanze felt like his life was in danger or if the life of his child was threatened, but what I can say is it is clear that he was outnumbered and the crowd was not friendly. All it may have taken to incite a riot that he couldn't have stopped or contained would have been one word, one punch or one throw of the rock. It doesn't sound like he pointed it at anyone just showed that he had it and would defend himself and his family.

Fear, I absolutely hope the crowd felt fear. That is exactly the reaction that is needed to make someone second guess whether or not they want to attempt to harm you or your loved ones.

The Salt Lake Tribune should be embarrassed for publishing this tripe. You will notice that there is no authors name on this article. Probably for a reason!

superman s.giflagleRock Out!





Posted by SlagleRock at June 3, 2005 05:08 PM
Comments

Normally I would defend a person's right to defend his property, whether it's a Jag or a Chevy. I won't defend a jerk who drives through my residential neighborhood at 75 miles per hour. He was posing a danger to one and all, including his daughter, first with his driving, then with the irresposible handling of his gun. If I were his wife, I'd take the kid(s) and divorce him and sue for full custody.

Don't defend someone who gives safe, sane gunowners a bad name. The result feeds the people who think like this editor who are so agendized tht they are happy to tar us all with the same brush.

Posted by: Quid at June 4, 2005 07:30 AM

I agree that any "jerk" who drives through a residential area at a verified 75mph should be delt with. In a legal, non-mob manner.

However, bear in mind that the intent of this post was to point out the loose journalism that appears to be a dig at gun owners rights. Like I said in the post, if he felt that his life or the life of his child were threatened then I agree with his actions. If he is just a rude ass prick who was speeding through his neighborhood and risking the lives of others then the legal system should deal with him.

SlagleRock Out!

Posted by: SlagleRock at June 4, 2005 11:53 AM

I agree. The first commenter missed the point of the post. It's not a matter of saying the guy was perfectly just, it's a matter of media slant and the fact that with such sloppy, biased journalism it is hard to tell just what the facts indeed were.

One other thing - when someone with a bias goes to this much trouble to write such a story and give it such muddy details and not to much factual, checkable information than I am inclined to wonder why and lean the other way just out of suspicion. I think that is another reason for the post by SlagleRock.

Posted by: Holly - A Soldiers Angel at June 4, 2005 09:59 PM

I've GOT to agree with Slagle on this! The gun situation here is independent of any traffic situation. Nail him if he rates it for traffic stuff, but the gun situation seems to be not unreasonable to me.

Posted by: RadioActive Chief at June 5, 2005 10:27 PM

I have a CWP and carry a 9mm semi, 15 round clip, in my vehicle at all times. I have never had to pull the weapon on anyone but if a carjacker sticks his head in my truck he will be breathing without a head. I firmly believe we have the right to defend ourselves and are not required to give in to the thugs of the country. I notice that the honest reports show a sharp drop in violent crime in area's that have large numbers of people CWP qualified and the expiration of the stupid feel good weapons laws a few months ago did not increase crime, in fact crime has dropped. Feel good guns laws are passed in all cases by people that don't know the difference in an AK-47 and an SK-47. They think both are machine guns, same with all auto and semi-auto weapon, they don't even know the difference and they are lawmakers (sic).

Posted by: scrapiron at June 17, 2005 07:11 PM
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